Andrew Tsao: 00:00

Welcome, everyone. We were having some difficulties with using our my usual podcast app called Riverside, but we're we're switching gears using Zoom. And I'm still excited to share today a very, very special episode. This is the first time I'm ever recording one of my life coaching calls, with somebody that I've been working with. We've been working with together, Henry, for, like, I think it's the past five months now.

Andrew Tsao: 00:30

Right?

Henry Irwin Pesch: 00:31

Yeah. Four or five months. Yeah. That's correct.

Andrew Tsao: 00:34

And he was somebody who I actually met a while ago through Instagram live. Right? That was the first time we really got to connect more deeply and share a conversation and not just witness each other, but also have a space to be witnessed by others, by the world. And I thought it was a beautiful intention and invitation when you asked me to wanna do another Instagram live that I thought, hey. What if we can do a podcast together where we're gonna do our usual coaching session the way things goes, but just just having another container where if somebody wants to witness you or to even see what these containers feel like, look like, that they have the opportunity to do so.

Andrew Tsao: 01:21

And I'm really, really honored to be doing this with you. So first of all, thank you for being here, Tyrone. Thank you for yeah. Just thank you for being here.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 01:32

Thank you, Andrew. I'm I'm extending the same energy back to you.

Andrew Tsao: 01:39

That's amazing. Well, let's start our coaching call in the way we usually do. Let's take, maybe just a few minutes just to do a little quick arrival practice to arrive into this container, into our bodies. So let's take a second. Let me notice your breath a little bit.

Andrew Tsao: 02:09

If you notice the ins and out of your breath. Notice how it's traveling in and out of your nose, using this opportunity to pay attention to the temperature of that breath. Maybe even how the tip of your nose, your nostrils feel when the breath is flowing in and out. Maybe notice the rise and fall of your chest as you're taking the breath. Use this opportunity to scan down the body and just notice how your body's feeling at this moment.

Andrew Tsao: 03:15

Is there any part of your body that feels any tightness, any discomfort, any heaviness? Even wonder if there's any part of your body that feels a little bit lighter today, little more loose, little more excited. Have you noticed the weight of your body on whatever surface you're sitting on or leaning on? Taking a second to scan all the way down and feel the bottoms of your feet on this ground that's beneath you, That's supporting you. That's holding you.

Andrew Tsao: 04:21

I feel you're just use this operator and even wiggle your toes a little bit, just a feel of the texture of that earth holding us, reminding us that we're safe right here. It's okay for us to, to be hold by the support. And let's close our little arrival practice with just one deep intentional breath to invite all the things we want to in our life at this moment and to use the out breath to to let go of anything that's happened today or this week that we wanna let go of. So just inhale through the nose. Put it at the top.

Andrew Tsao: 05:26

Breathe out to the mouth. Just allow yourself to stay in that just for a few few more seconds. Whenever you're ready, you can slowly and gently open your eyes again. Glad to have you here, Henry.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 06:02

Glad you're here. I shouldn't say that you're with me. Mhmm. I consider them almost the same thing.

Andrew Tsao: 06:13

Yeah. Well, right before we press record, we actually were just talking about timing. Right? Trusting that timing is right, even this moment when we had this coaching session. Do you wanna share a little bit with me and whoever is listening?

Andrew Tsao: 06:32

Why is this timing so important to you? What's been happening in your life, and what has emerged from this this chapter in your life right now?

Henry Irwin Pesch: 06:43

Well, I feel kind of I mean, it's difficult to pinpoint, but you could say that perhaps in terms of our dialogue, our conversation, that right now we're at a almost, you could say, midpoint of a journey. And, and and from my point of view and might be yours as well. I don't know. But, we're in this turning point because of the actions that I have taken revolving, around our conversations. And and and our conversations have been based on both, let's call it a mental, emotional, from my point of view, very physical healing journey.

Andrew Tsao: 08:04

Mhmm.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 08:05

And, we've worked through a lot of things, sometimes very difficult moments, moments that I felt, in that moment only you could understand or that I was grateful that you were there with me. And, we also spoke about besides the mental, emotional, spiritual, and physical healing, we spoke about creative outlets. Now I think we've been without putting any kind of exact timeline or pressure on it. I think, you know, we've, followed a certain path, and maybe each one of us, has done their work to see, you know, where can they grow, where can we learn to understand ourselves better, and how can we navigate our situation better. And, my personal turning point is that that, as, you know, listeners may not know right now is that I've basically had chronic pain for, you can say, seven years stemming from a shoulder trauma that started in 02/2013 and then got reoperated in 02/2020.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 09:59

And the reaction of the 02/2020 surgery was something that I didn't understand nor did any doctors nor did the people, you know, therapists that I went to. So there was no other option but to explore all the avenues that exist in terms of healing and little by little picking up pieces what works, for me or the people that I'm engaging with. At first, my focus was very physically orientated because I couldn't believe, you know, why can't I just bring back my function on a normal rehabilitation level, and then it became, emotional. And then it became a practice of, let's call it sensation work and kind of mental resilience and basically brain work. And, all that led me to do a lot of research because I've done the work, but how can I heal internally on a physical scale more?

Henry Irwin Pesch: 11:50

And, I found this, stem cell clinic in Panama called, Panama Stem Cell Clinic. And it's founded by someone called Neil Rorton who's been active in that field for over twenty years. And he's a pioneer in extracting stem cells from the umbilical cord called mesenchymal stem cells. And he's one of the few, that has a clinic where everything is controlled from the moment the mother gets spurs to the umbilical cord that's cut, that everything has safety and efficacy. And, the cells are, you know, studied in a lab over the course of two decades.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 12:53

He's been able to choose out of that one cell which one tends to divide and, cultivate the best, meaning what is the most common denominator for the human body to heal. And, basically, the cells will enter the bloodstream, and they will find the areas that need healing, whether it's through inflammation, tissue, muscle, ligaments. They they find the areas that need healing, and then they let go, and your body begins to do the work. And, so I went there just now ten days ago or eight days ago, and, I did this treatment where I received three days of intravenous stem cells as well as shots in my right shoulder, in the neck, and in the back muscles because those are predominantly the areas that have been affected. I personally am not a fan of needles, just because of my hypersensitivity, but I went in there, and it was, I'm here to do this.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 14:28

And this is my best chance to see if I can get a little bit more of light or let's call it change or transformation into my life. And, the whole process was kind of incredible because the people were very kind, seriously kind. And, it was on on the top of this building, 60 Fifth Floor, I believe, overlooking the Panama Canal, and you could see the ships on the horizon and these huge birds hovering around the windows while these cells were going into my body. So in other words, in a very kind of peaceful utopian setting almost, which I had hoped for.

Andrew Tsao: 15:30

Mhmm.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 15:30

And, well, due to the volume of shots they gave me on the second day, it did become diff more difficult because the body, you know, will react. There was all kinds of flare ups, and, it forces you to, lean into your humanity. And luckily enough, I was in this hotel room right next to the clinic. That's how it works. And my sister was there.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 16:11

And, you know, she was working from her desk, and I I remember her doing some business calls, and she works for TED and, you know, talking to different people. And I just thought, you know, how beautiful how people communicate. And, I I prayed to God, and I said, thank you for letting me be here. And, I think I understand to my sister. And I get to watch, her speak to people from all over the world, and I just kind of, as a younger brother, admired her beauty and was very glad that I was in a safe area to go through, such a painful, let's call it, transformation.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 17:28

And, that evening, on the second evening, I did something well, I did many things I I haven't done in the last three years, despite that I may have had less pain in in those areas. But because of the setting on Panama, for example, we went out to dinner on the second night. And because of the volume of shots they gave me my shoulder, my hand was kind of on my pelvis, and I could barely move it as if in a sling. And I was walking, you know, leaned back like, I'm gonna say a drunk guy making his way through Mexico on his final breath. And, I remember thinking, you know, I'm actually cool with this even if I had to operate like this.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 18:30

Hey. I can walk. I can talk. That's all that matters. And, I ate my dinner with my left fork, and my sister was there.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 18:43

And he's very, very kind people, you know, watching us, asking if we needed help. And I remember that I saw it. That was a big step for me, just to walk around like that. And I I also did other things which I hadn't done and, you know, walked through the old town. And, we walked through little alleyways and, you know, said hello to people or musicians or kids that were playing in little areas.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 19:25

And just seeing these beautiful faces of local people, you know, just made me extremely happy. And I saw it, you know, if there was a kind of a light coming from here, from this area and the mountains and the plants around that I could see, I thought, you know, I'm I will I will find my way back here. I'm grateful to be here now, but this gives me a new lighthouse direction for the future. And that is why I believe it's a turning point in the journey because, the stem cells, they will you know, they affect you positively, neurologically, and physically. So for me, big big step and also for my family who supported me and went with me and who worked for, you know, three years to be able to even afford this treatment.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 20:38

And, you know, it's it's a big step because that seems to be, an answer to somebody in my position, at least, a pathway to a solution, let's call it.

Andrew Tsao: 21:07

First thing I wanna share with you is how emotional I'm currently feeling hearing you share that story. The emotion of just a lot of a lot of pride, a lot of a lot of awe that comes with, like, just the kind of really overwhelming, but deep emotion of, like, being inspired the way the way you talk about that experience. It really it really reflects or reflected just how how much work you put into the past seven years, how what it took you, not just to be there to get that treatment. That is that's that's maybe a perk of a a scientific innovation that could help with. But it's the it's it's the way you talk about your presence and your awareness.

Andrew Tsao: 22:26

The way you describe the the from the first day to the hotel room, to you walking with your family on the street, it was so poetic that you can hear closely. That only comes from somebody who is fully present and aware of the of the that's the view of the animals. Right? The colors in the room. And it's really beautiful because the way you told that story, the storytelling, it was like almost somebody describing like a beautiful vacation.

Andrew Tsao: 23:13

Right. But in your case, it's it's it's it wasn't a vacation. It was a, it was not an easy thing. It was a surgery. It was something that's challenging, but the the way the the amount of gratitude that you have, the amount of resilience in your in the way you're approaching things made it made it had that quality.

Andrew Tsao: 23:36

And it was just really, really it was really, really touching to hear you share that and be in that.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 23:48

Thank you so much, Andre. Thank you. And, right back to me what you've said, and thank you, you know, for your understanding and empathy and, yes, you you understand that it, it it took a lot even, just to get there.

Andrew Tsao: 24:25

Right now, as you're thinking about this midpoint, this turning point, physically, emotionally, spiritually, what were in crossing that midpoint or maybe even leaping or slowly, like, now getting into the other side? What what emerges for you? What are some thoughts, feelings, or what's next for you?

Henry Irwin Pesch: 24:57

Well, I'll tell you a little story is that, you know, I'm in Florida right now with my sister, and, you know, I I I still feel the effects of the treatment, and it comes and goes in immense waves. And, however, I'm in this beautiful setting setting where they have these oak trees, and, there's a lot of silence. There is, a peaceful wind. There are a lot of flowers. There's squirrels.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 25:47

You know, there's birds flying through the air. I saw a bird this morning. It was a a a blue jay, I believe it's called. You know? I had blue blue feathers on the top.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 26:03

And, I've been able to sit here and sometimes walk around a little bit, you know, literally looking at this magic, that's all around me. And, through that, I've been able to channel the feelings I had when I both arrived and that then came up because at first, it was quite challenging to leave. Because when you're in a place like that, after such a long, journey, let's call it, of difficulty in terms of pain and no real understanding of any kind of solution. Once you're there, it feels like this is the the the ship that this is the fish tank where I feel at home. And here, it is okay to move very slowly.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 27:21

If I need to take half an hour to read a menu or if I'm fascinated by just looking at a fruit juice for fifteen minutes, then that that is okay and understood because there are many people around me perhaps not acting the same, but they've come a long way. And they're here to get help, and they feel safe here. And, so it's almost like it's almost like a captain that's on a ship that can have a little bit more of, control over his current situation. So then once you leave, as with anything, you need to be able to let go. And on the plane, that was extremely difficult for me.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 28:25

I actually called, you know, like, the someone to help me, and they gave me some pain medication. Yes. It's because of my physical, but it was also emotional. You know? It was that I didn't wanna let go of you know, I I I didn't wanna let go yet where where the goodness came from, let's call it.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 28:52

And, but once I got here, you know, the peace that that nature gives me as well as my family and, my sister's husband and her son, you know, I I really saw and felt how they, you know, they really want me to get better. And one does know this, but one doesn't always feel it because sometimes you can feel alone. But it made me feel like I regained something. Like, you know what? I I I'm a part of this.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 29:39

I'm a part of I'm a part of life. And I remember saying that a few days ago. I remember saying even if I have high symptoms in this very moment, I get to take part in life. And whether that means, you know, enjoying a juice or something to eat or just being able to look at people and watching them and and and seeing them act and how they embrace each other and and and and and watching all their humanness, that deeply comforts me, and it is what I'm always at the end looking for is a form of love, safety, acceptance, and, of course, a form of peace. And so what I wanna tell you is that today, I woke up.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 30:44

I had quite a long beard. I hadn't not a beard, but I hadn't shaven perhaps for seven or ten days, and I was feeling a lot of pain in my face, in the head, and probably from the shots, but it doesn't matter to to now pinpoint it too much. But I thought, what what can I do today to to what can I do? I wanna I wanna take care of myself. I wanna feel better.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 31:24

And I I decided I decided to go to a barber where I'd been before, but I saw somebody younger. His name was Carlos. He was 21 years old. And, he asked me, you know, how can I help you? And I said, you know, I'd like a a fresh, a wet shave.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 31:48

You know? And, and I told them, but please be careful with my neck and my face. You know, I've had some shots, and I have to move carefully. And the way he then shaved me and how he did everything so carefully and the fact that I was able to be a % present just enjoying those moments. And, you know, for example, a hot steam towel on the face or the way he moved the blade so carefully or the cool touch of the shaving cream.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 32:30

You know, those are all sensations, of essentially life. And then I was able to listen to the conversations in the barbershop. You know, everyone has their story and, you know, how they were talking and sometimes laughing and, you know, some people older, others younger. It made me feel really a part of something, you know, of life, essentially. And it took about forty five minutes to do this, the shaving.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 33:09

And then after I asked if they could wash my hair because in the past two days, I haven't been able to shower just because my mobility is limited from, you know, the treatment. And, yeah, he they they made an exception, and they washed my hair and, you know, put hot water on it, and he gently massaged my head. And, you know, I asked him how how how how much was it after because he was so kind. And he said $38, and I I gave him 60. Luckily, I had a little bit of extra money, but I felt that was well deserved.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 33:56

And then, you know, we spoke about tennis a little bit, and he was at one point ranked, I think, number three in tennis in Texas. And we spoke about he was from Cuba, and his whole family was here now. And, after we changed contact, so I was able to make a new friend. And then I, sat down and I, my sister had given me a Gatorade and asked them for a cup to put ice in it. And I sat there drinking that Gatorade so slowly, but it was so incredible.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 34:38

And I looked in this room, and my head was kind of slouched down. You know? I was fatigued. But I thought, man, this is incredible. I'm actually a % part of life.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 34:57

And as I look around here, as I look into the room and these faces, I'm they're helping me to bring back a sort of a a a sort of liveliness that I haven't felt for a long time. And I felt my face and especially the right side, which often feels as if, you know, it has missed a form of, let's call it, touch or love because it's been hardened or inflamed. You know, part of the mechanics. I don't understand, but I thought, you know what? I feel like I'm waking up a little bit here.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 35:48

I feel like I'm waking up that I I I I I get to get a chance to walk back into life. And, yes, at the moment may be a little bit different, but I am so assured that I will find my way. And, also, I've become so okay with what is now and how it feels now. And, I understand that this is what it is, and I will make the best out of it every moment. And, that to me was an awakening of of the life that sits underneath us no matter what has happened.

Andrew Tsao: 36:52

Mhmm.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 36:52

And that there is and and where there is life and compassion, you can find your way.

Andrew Tsao: 37:04

Yeah.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 37:06

And and and that's what, you know, today is about as well as perhaps this journey.

Andrew Tsao: 37:19

Yeah. What I'm hearing that absolutely deserve celebrating is that, you know, throughout a lot of our sessions, I already saw a lot of courage and just surrendering to the full of life. We talk about that a lot. Right? Just be able to, like you said, surrender to the present, be in the now.

Andrew Tsao: 37:45

That's something you have really not just practice a lot, but just embody that because of your maybe how important it is in your journey to navigate, especially on days where pain is pain is a little bit louder. But the story you share with me, what I'm hearing that's that's even more more colorful is that it feels as if you are inviting in even more of that that life, that love, that vitality, right, that you can notice even more intricately how how much love there is from your sister, husband, and their kid in their home, how much love there is, how much love that you can attract even in your barbershop that you've been to a lot of times that you're able to find a new young face that could give you that kind of care. That honestly, the way you describe it, that was that's felt that felt like a like a quite spiritual experience. That was quite healing in the way you describe that touch, what it meant for your face, the the the the the tightness that you're holding. And and that was just really, really a testament to what you are currently inviting more into your life.

Andrew Tsao: 39:24

Does it feel like that?

Henry Irwin Pesch: 39:27

Yeah. 100%. You know, it's, and I think also contribution perhaps from my mother because, a few days ago when I first arrived, I spoke to her and I was quite down, let's call it. She says she said, Henry, can you just open your heart? Can you do it again?

Henry Irwin Pesch: 40:00

You open your heart. And because I wanna live, I said and it was almost like a pact was heard because I I said I said it's hard, but I can't. And from that moment on, I I tried, and sometimes it worked. Sometimes it didn't. But the more you open up, the more it's almost like the past begins to wash out of you in a in a in a physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual way.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 40:52

And you become completely aware of only the beauty that essentially rests in front of your eyes even when it sometimes feels noncomprehensible that a human can feel like this. But but the truth is within the depths of both feeling good and sometimes inhumane, there seems to be the biggest answer is if you can manage in your most fragile moments or painful to answer to life in the smallest of ways, whether you look at a flower, whether you look at a light, whether you, I don't know, put your hand on your stomach instead of, you know, berating yourself in any way, shape, or form, then that is that's the path forward, and it'll give you strength and hope. And it'll also make you perhaps aware that it's okay if this will take time because you are confident that with your own empathy and kindness, you will find your way over time.

Andrew Tsao: 42:42

Mhmm.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 42:42

And and that's and that and that's what I'm experiencing. Yeah.

Andrew Tsao: 42:54

I'm curious if if for some reason your your mom is listening to this. What are some words you wanna share with her?

Henry Irwin Pesch: 43:11

Well well, then I would say that I deeply love her from the bottom of my heart and that that, that I will ride this through so that we can seize our days and more peace and love and gratitude and embracing each other. Now I will ride this too, and then I I thank her for consistently standing by my side and and both protecting me and giving me life. And that I wanna thank her also for many times saving my life.

Andrew Tsao: 44:43

You mentioned about being captain of the ship, getting excited about being that captain, about the sturdiness of the ship, about the direction of the ship? Is there any aspects in acknowledging that that a lot of times the moment is just in being the present, embracing moment to moment? But is there any aspect of what direction the ship is going toward right now that you feel particularly excited about?

Henry Irwin Pesch: 45:35

I'm sorry. I have to check this back in here because it's not that simple.

Andrew Tsao: 45:41

Take your time.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 45:56

What I am particularly excited about is that I have the opportunity to step by step, enter a stage of perhaps almost a reawakening and that there I have a lighthouse. It's in Panama, and I have lighthouses all around me every day. Family, friends, plants, nature. And I have an inner strength. And and and that is my compass.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 47:09

And and I will find my way back to Panama if need be. Or if I need to find my way in another pass to heal, I will find my way, and I will also fully open up to allow my body and my mind and my heart to find its way on its own here and now in this very moment, in every moment that I'm given. And I look forward to learning new things on my path because, I will study Spanish, and I am not that in the news of it's not everything, but I think I'll be fluent in a year or two. And I will create new friends and new understanding of a different culture. And and just to have that as a drive to get me there, that in itself is, you know, that is a life force.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 48:48

And I should say that when I left Panama that I prayed to God and I thanked him and I thanked the mother that gave birth to a baby and that gave me the opportunity to possibly have a better life. And furthermore, I just will accept every single moment as it comes. And and that's what I look forward to. And I don't mind showing my fragility or vulnerability both privately or in public no matter how great it is. Because Mhmm.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 49:49

The truth is that all the strengths in the world is there. When you're vulnerable and fragile, it's the strengths. And there are so many people around us that that are consistently going through the same thing regardless of the age. And when you look at them, you get to acknowledge each other because we know that this is life and it can be really challenging, but it can also be very sweet. And there's, there is always a way to find that that positive light.

Andrew Tsao: 50:43

That's beautiful. And one thing I was curious and laughing a little bit is if you were to take a second to scan down your body, check-in on the the other parts, the the cafeteria table, especially, you know, parts like the the tiger we talked about. Hearing you share that, is there any of your parts that are scared, that still have doubts? And is there anybody else that has something to say as you were sharing that? Let's just make them a little bit give them a little space to do so.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 51:21

Well, what I have begun to do is when the tigers and the sharks show up Mhmm. And I'm gonna call them the snakes, I've actually begun to look at them and observe them observe them. And despite the symptoms they may bring up in me, from both externally or internally, I have asked myself, can I extract strengths out of this? And that is a new practice that I've begun to inhabit. Rather than letting it hurt me so bad, at least can I transform the pain into strengths?

Henry Irwin Pesch: 52:21

It might feel painful now, but perhaps over time, irrelevant how many how much time it takes, it could become a strength, and it won't touch me anymore. Mhmm. I I I'm laughing because I I remain humble, but it's the first time that I actually get to take that perspective on in, you know, seven years. I haven't I haven't I haven't I haven't taken that position on before because I soaked everything up for for a long time. And I think now is a little bit Now is enough.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 53:15

You know? I know I'm a good person. I mean well, as I've always have, and I I'm gonna continue to show that. I'm not afraid of that.

Andrew Tsao: 53:34

I love that. I love the the reflection. And I can see you're laughing as, like, I can imagine those parts, those those snakes, those tigers, they're probably laughing and smiling too. Because hearing you say that, they know that you're the way you look at them is with a lot of compassion and gratitude, which also means that you're not going to cast them aside, neglect them anymore, that you're even more intentional about hearing them and keeping them part of your team while at the same time not letting them be the captains of the ship that you're that that that that you're you're driving.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 54:19

You're totally correct. I'm I'm not gonna let them eat me up. It's taught me a lot of lessons, and I believe I will have the chance to to grow again. And I'm I'm so committed and loyal and disciplined. That's it.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 54:48

There'll be a way for me. There will be and already so many beautiful things have begun to unfold. Doesn't mean that the challenges aren't there, but, you know, I'm I'm always I'm prepared to face them.

Andrew Tsao: 55:10

Yeah. One of the thing that's coming through for me Anything about your last question before I time myself, which is if you were to time travel to meet maybe your earlier version of yourself, especially earlier in your chronic pain journey, what are some what are some words? What are some encouragement that you would share with them?

Henry Irwin Pesch: 55:49

Yeah. I'm on a handset now. Andrew, can you hear me?

Andrew Tsao: 55:53

I can still hear you. Yeah.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 55:56

Can you hear me?

Andrew Tsao: 55:57

Yeah.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 55:59

Okay. I would say if you give yourself permission and allow yourself to breathe and try to accept who you are and the now and take very small baby steps that make you feel good, then you will slowly find a way. And if your thoughts begin to become painful of the past or in the present moment where you're not happy with who you are or what you're feeling, then see if you can move away from that physical spot and give yourself the chance to breathe again in a new area and find the smallest things that you can do that bring you a little bit of joy, whether it's reading, seeing some light outside, watching nature, seeing people, having a tea. Always allow yourself to even taste 10% or 20% of that kindness or goodness. Even if you're feeling a % annihilated, give yourself a chance for 10 or 20%.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 57:49

And the more you can follow that step by step, you'll begin to take the steps that so in the course of time, you can outgrow the current process that you're in, but also you'll begin to recognize the real beauty of the process that you're in and that it's not inferno, but it's an enlightening.

Andrew Tsao: 58:25

Thanks for sharing that. Wow. Thank you.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 58:33

I'm Drew. I alright, brother.

Andrew Tsao: 58:36

See you, man.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 58:37

Thank you so much. That was a very deep conversation. Indeed. Next time, I look forward to hearing what you've learned on your recent journey because that really lifts me up too.

Andrew Tsao: 58:54

Will do. I'm excited to share more. Take care. Okay? I'll see you next time.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 59:00

Alright. Hey. Big hug, man. Thank you for being here with me.

Andrew Tsao: 59:04

Thanks for having me. See you.

Henry Irwin Pesch: 59:07

Bye,

Andrew Tsao: 59:12

Andrew. Bye.